I have a hobby of arguing with people (even though it's not my real stand) just to have a topic for arguing...
This is one of those conversations with my friend. She always seriously argue with me but just in the intellectual level:
Earl : bigla ka nagonline ah
Earl : hahaha
Friend: nina pa actually hehe
Friend: invi lang
Earl: ahhhh
Earl: haha
Earl: walang nagbantay samin kanina
Earl: nag-gayahan lang kmi sa exam
Friend: seryoso?
Friend: bad kayo
Friend: masama cheating
Friend: tsk tsk
Earl: kahit naman sa bar may cheating din eh
Earl: nasa nature na yun ng mga lawyer
Earl: kung walang cheating, bkit pa kelangan ng mga lawyer kung lahat ng tao sumusunod sa batas
Earl: kung lahat ng tao mabuti
Friend: ano ba trabaho ng lawyer
Friend: to preserve justice
Friend: ur argument is nonsense
Friend: parang sinabi mong dapat magdumi ang tao sa kalye
Friend: para saan pa ang metroaids
Earl: kung malinis ang kalye hindi na sila maghihire ng metro aids
Earl: bkit pa maghihire if malinis?
Friend: un nga e.. that's nonsense
Friend: so ur saying dapat magdumi ang tao?
Friend: nakakatwa nman ung logic na un
Earl: hindi
Friend: ur saying kasi na dapat may cheating
Earl: nasa nature lang ng tao ang magdami
Earl: magdumi
Friend: if that is part of man's nature, bakit hindi lahat ng tao nagdudumi
Earl: hindi nga
Friend: so that is not part of man's nature
Friend: it's a choice earl
Earl: hindi rin
Friend: you're contradicting urself
Earl: religion niyo na rin ang nagsabi na nakatakda na kung sinung pupunta sa langit sa sa hell
Friend: you said hindi nga man's nature, pero sinabi mo man's nature
Friend: ano ba talaga
Friend: nope earl
Friend: who said nakatakda na
Friend: there's no such thing
Friend: ang belief naming christians, it's always man's choice
Earl: basahin mo ung old at new testament
Friend: can you pls point it out
Friend: saan sinasabi nakatakda na kung sino masasave and sinong hindi
Earl: may nakalagay dun na there's a man that who will betray the messiah in 25 silver
Earl: silvers
Earl: kung hindi gagawin ni judas un, sinung gagawa?
Friend: he is the son of the devil my dear
Earl: o so bago ma ipinanganak si judas son of devil na siya
Earl: that's the point
Friend: he's different from other people
Earl: nakalagay din sa old testament the mamatay ang messiah and will resurrect after 3 days
Earl: kung hindi siya pinatay ng mga tauhan ni pilate
Earl: sinung papatay sa kanya?
Friend: so you're saying that everything you do is already planned out for you
Friend: ?
Friend: you have no freedom na?
Earl: i don't know
Earl: panu ko malalaman?
Friend: pano mo malalaman?
Friend: so why are you assuming na planado na lahat
Friend: nakatakda na lahat
Earl: eh kasi nangyari sa bible eh
Friend: if d mo lam kung may freedom nga o wala
Friend: it's a choice to be saved earl
Friend: Jesus died for everyone, but it's man's choice whether to accept it or not
Friend: so hindi totoo na nakatakda na kung pupuntang heaven or hell ang isang tao
Friend: parang ganito lang iyan,
Friend: binigyan kta ng regalo, it's your choice kung ttnggpin mo o hindi
Friend: kahit pagpilitan kong ibgy sau, kung di mo rin ttnggpin wala rin
Friend: dba?
Earl: pero kung may choice... bkit lahat ng phropechy sa old testament, nangyari sa new testament?
Earl: kahit itanong mo ba sa religious authority
Friend: hehe talaga?
Earl: walang prophecy sa old testement na hindi nangyari
Friend: church nagssbi na nakatakda na sino mppuntang heaven or hell?
Earl: nakalgay sa revelation
Friend: btw earl
Friend: sa alam ko tama ka, old testament im not so sure a
Friend: but sa alam ko, nappuntang hell ang karamihan, kasi lahat nagssin diba... that's why they had to offer sacrifices pa as an atonement
Friend: but sa new testament earl, Jesus came right?
Friend: through Jesus everyone has been saved
Friend: after He came, lahat nasave (given na they accept Jesus Christ)
Earl: pero may nakalagay sa revelation na may dadating na nilalang may may tatak na 666
Friend: sa old testament, oo, lahat nappuntang hell ata, and they needed sacrifices para mabawi ung sin
Friend: true earl
Friend: prophecies ng bible talagang mangyyari
Friend: but ung example mo lang nina is mali
Friend: coz u said nakatakda na sino mappntang hell and sino mppntng heaven
Earl: nalagay sa revelation un
Friend: tama un earl
Friend: d ko kinequestion ung revelation
Friend: it's about to happen really really soon
Friend: and lahat ng prophecies sa old testament totoong nangyari nga sa new
Friend: but ung argument mo nga lang na nakatakda sino mappuntang heaven and hell nakatakda na
Friend: un ang mali
Earl: and syempre hindi natin alam kung sinu ung mga tao na pupunta sa heaven at sa hell
Earl: si God lang ang nakakalam nun
Friend: nope earl
Friend: remember Jesus died for our sins
Earl: eto isa pang example
Friend: through His blood, we have been saved... as long as we accept Him as our savior we're already saved
Friend: ako i'm sure i'm going to heaven
Earl: naniniwala ka ba na kapag namatay ka oras mo na?
Earl: and si God lang ang nakakalam kung kelan ka niya kukunin
Earl: and si God lang ang nakakaalam kung panu ka mamamatay?
Friend: God is in control of everything
Friend: so yes
Friend: kasi earl
Friend: all im saying is
Friend: ok
Friend: tama ka
Friend: there are a lot of things beyond man's control
Friend: totoo un
Friend: maraming mga bagay na nakatakda na
Friend: i agree
Friend: but i'll say it again
Earl: eto... panu kung tinakda ni God na mamamatay ka dahil sa murder?
Friend: i find it wrong lang ung sinabi mong nakatakda sino mappnta sa heaven and hell
Earl: syempre God is in control
Friend: oo
Friend: God meant for it to happen
Friend: talagang he designed my death that way
Earl: someone will kill you
Earl: kung lahat ng tao mababait
Friend: earl
Earl: wala ng papatay sayo
Friend: man's nature is sinful
Friend: but there's always a choice
Friend: you can choose not to lie
Friend: you can choose not to cheat earl
Friend: ito na lang tanong ko
Earl: but nakatakda na nga may papatay sayo eh
Friend: be honest
Friend: bigyan kta ng P 1M wag kang magccheat sa exam mo
Friend: magccheat ka o hindi?
Friend: oo o hindi lang earl
Earl: sige hindi na ako magchecheat
Friend: see... it's always a choice...
Friend: yes i agree
Earl: but i don't say na choice ko un
Friend: it's man's nature to be sinful, but there is always a choice
Earl: kc may circumstance na nangyari kung bakit hindi ako magcheat
Friend: earl... there is a choice not to accept the P1M and to cheat
Earl: there's a situation that happened for me not to chaet
Friend: hehe
Earl: but there's also a chioce not to kill or not
Friend: but still you didn't cheat
Earl: tingnan mo sa revelation
Friend: the bottom line earl is that man has a choice
Earl: sabi dun maglalaban ang mga bansa
Earl: kaya magsisimula un
Earl: there's a choice na hindi maglaban-laban ang mga bansa
Earl: pero mangyayari pa rin sabi ng revelation
Friend: paulit2 tau earl haha
Earl: so there's no choice na hindi maglaban-laban ang mga bansa
Friend: ano ba sinabi ko.. totoo ung revelation
Friend: lahat dun naktakda
Friend: i agre
Friend: i agree
Friend: ang sinasabi ko lang diba, hindi nakatakda ung heaven or hell for one person
Friend: ok?
Earl: if that's true... therefore wala tayong choice
Earl: panu kung pinili lahat ng tao na maging mabait
Earl: eh di wala ng revelation db
Friend: hehe
Friend: like what you said nga
Friend: it's man's nature to sin
Friend: and all im saying is, if you want not to sin
Friend: you can
Friend: it's man's nature to be bad
Friend: but if one wants not to be bad, kaya rin
Earl: so there's no choice for the people to do sin in order to fullfil god's plan
Friend: so hindi nakatakda lahat earl
Friend: ikaw na nagsabi kanina
Friend: Earl Masacayan: but there's also a chioce not to kill or not
Friend: ur contradicting urself earl
Earl: if you will see it idealy
Earl: kung walang bible, pwede pa ung argument na un
Earl: 2 lang ung situation na pwedeng magcomplement
Earl: 1st situation: God does not exist so people have choice.
Earl: 2nd situation: God control so people have no choice
Earl: na encounter mo na ba ung existentialism sa philo?
Earl: that every person has choices
Friend: why do we have lesbians and gays, kung male and female lang ang totoong choices
Friend: ang argument kasi jan diba
Earl: to be male or female is not a choice
Friend: ang tao either masculine lang (male) or feminine (female)
Friend: all im saying is earl
Friend: hindi lahat black and white
Friend: may gray area
Friend: =)
Earl: haha remember, i'm not a christian so joke time lang ung sinabi ko...
Earl: gusto ko lang makipag-argue... hahahahaha... i believe that people have choice
Friend: i know.. kaya naintndhn ko kung hindi mo rin lam ung ibang concepts. hahahaha
Earl: =)
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